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95015, Luo presidency? myth or fiction
Posted by Cookie, Wed Apr-05-06 04:14 PM
Without doubt, Luo's can't stand the fact that
they've been locked
out of the 3 govts we've had since independence. In 2002, they came
this close
to power only for it to turn out to be a replay of the 1960's power
game that
consigned them to the dungeons.
If we are to learn from history, Raila's time has come and gone just
like his
father. As long as Raila will be the torch bearer then you can rest
assured
that the Luo presidency will continue to be a good work of fiction.
Because of these, they are now the most desparate people for power and
will do
anything with whoever cares to listen to them.
Tamaa ilimaliza fisi.
take it easy.
95019, RE: Luo presidency? myth or fiction
Posted by jarabuon, Tue Apr-04-06 03:49 PM
>
>Because of these, they are now the most desparate people for
>power and will do anything with whoever cares to listen to
>them.
>
"they" in this case refers to the ojinga family and their supports.
ojinga sr and jr shot themselves in the foot with the same demand to
share
power forgetting that the presidential race is a winner take all
affair. ojinga
jr is making the same mistake again with his odm tribal house of cards,
he
should display some of that "bravery" that his supporters ascribe to
him and go for the top seat alone.
95022, RE: Luo presidency? myth or fiction
Posted by Cookie, Tue Apr-04-06 03:53 PM
>>
>>Because of these, they are now the most desparate people for
>>power and will do anything with whoever cares to listen to
>>them.
>>
>
>"they" in this case refers to the ojinga family and their
>supports. ojinga sr and jr shot themselves in the foot with
>the same demand to share power forgetting that the
>presidential race is a winner take all affair. ojinga jr is
>making the same mistake again with his odm tribal house of
>cards, he should display some of that "bravery" that his
>supporters ascribe to him and go for the top seat alone.
exactly.
that is why i am advocating for the disbanding of ODM. Coalition should
be
formed after election.
95049, RE: Luo presidency? myth or fiction
Posted by Prankster, Tue Apr-04-06 09:45 PM
For sure i think all Kenyans feel its now our turn i mean at least 70%
of the
42 tribes fell so.
We can do it all Kenyans have to do is trust and vote us in.
We are the only ones able and without compassion to restore the lost
glory of
the nation.
Jaluo Very Capable- ABBG (jvc)
"When a man cannot deceive himself chances are against his being able
to
deceive other people"- Yeah
95072, RE: Luo presidency? myth or fiction
Posted by mwaniki wa njeri, Wed Apr-05-06 12:18 AM
>
>For sure i think all Kenyans feel its now our turn i mean at
>least 70% of the 42 tribes fell so.
>We can do it all Kenyans have to do is trust and vote us in.
>We are the only ones able and without compassion to restore
>the lost glory of the nation.
>Jaluo Very Capable- ABBG (jvc)
>
>"When a man cannot deceive himself chances are against his
>being able to deceive other people"- Yeah
look , after 40 years of trying, you would imagine one of those much
vaunted
intellectuals in luo land would advice his kinsmen that the only common
thing
in all their electoral defeats has been the acursed odinga ujinga clan.
its says heaps about them that they are still trying to get Raila in
through a
popular vote even though its clear that man is un electable.
as JMburus observed, some people are just thick. si kupenda kwao.
Two Presidents and One Nobel Prize. History bears witness to our
superiority.
Kyukphobia? dial helpline 1800 - EATSH*T
95087, RE: Luo presidency? myth or fiction
Posted by sizzla, Wed Apr-05-06 12:54 AM
The only Luo luminary who has ever come close to
being President
of Kenya is the Late Tom Mboya. Simply because unlike his apelike
cousins, he
had culture and class. Plus he was against the age old
vice...CORRUPTION.
I also doubt whether any Luo will ever ascend to the throne, given the
entrenched "Kihii-phobia" among most Kenyan tribes. Nuff said.
95088, RE: Luo presidency? myth or fiction
Posted by mwaniki wa njeri, Wed Apr-05-06 12:55 AM
>The only Luo luminary who has ever come
close to being
>President of Kenya is the Late Tom Mboya. Simply because
>unlike his apelike cousins, he had culture and class. Plus he
>was against the age old vice...CORRUPTION.
>
>I also doubt whether any Luo will ever ascend to the throne,
>given the entrenched "Kihii-phobia" among most Kenyan tribes.
>Nuff said.
Seconded! hapo umedinya point.
Two Presidents and One Nobel Prize. History bears witness to our
superiority.
Kyukphobia? dial helpline 1800 - EATSH*T
95090, RE: Luo presidency? myth or fiction
Posted by Man R, Wed Apr-05-06 01:10 AM
Kyuks fear a Luo to be president. It is a
mixture of fear and
guilt. They know they have not treated them well and they fear Luos may
retaliate.
All this talk of Luos will never be president is just wishful thinking.
The
true statement should be I pray that a Luo would never be president,
because a
Luo presidency is inevitable as our world continues to reject backward
and
rural stereotypical classifications of Kenyans.
Fear not my Kikuyu brothers, be just and the world will smile upon
thee.
95094, RE: Luo presidency? myth or fiction
Posted by sizzla, Wed Apr-05-06 01:39 AM
You are right Man R, kyuks and other tribes fear
Luos, but not
because of past misdeeds but simply because majority of Luos are
uncouth and
very controversial. Don't delude yourself that the whole world is
evolving at
the same pace. Back home in Kenya, it will take some time for the rural
folk to
accept an uncircumsised jeng as president.
Think about it, majority of votes come from the rural areas. Do you
honestly
think that someone who has undergone the "cut" will give his
birth-right to some kihii? I don't think so...
95096, RE: Luo presidency? myth or fiction
Posted by Man R, Wed Apr-05-06 01:46 AM
Sizla,
Show me some intelligence bwana. How can you call a whole community
uncouth?
What is so uncouth about Jengs? Did you watch Wamalwa's funeral? Or
have your
ever been in around a weath struggle when an old Kyuk is about to die?
Jengs
have been victims of bad rap. And you're a spreader of Jeng propaganda.
>You are right Man R, kyuks and other tribes fear Luos, but
>not because of past misdeeds but simply because majority of
>Luos are uncouth and very controversial. Don't delude yourself
>that the whole world is evolving at the same pace. Back home
>in Kenya, it will take some time for the rural folk to accept
>an uncircumsised jeng as president.
>
>Think about it, majority of votes come from the rural areas.
>Do you honestly think that someone who has undergone the "cut"
>will give his birth-right to some kihii? I don't think so...
By majority what do you mean? Trust me, a good campaign will change all
that. I
have a strategy already, I'm not gonna reveal it here. But you'll see
it during
the election campaigns after ODM nominates Raila.
kibaki toka
Dr. Rage
95015, Luo presidency? myth or fiction
Posted by Cookie, Wed Apr-05-06 04:14 PM
Without doubt, Luo's can't stand the
fact that they've been locked out of the 3 govts we've had since
independence.
In 2002, they came this close to power only for it to turn out to be a
replay
of the 1960's power game that consigned them to the dungeons.
If we are to learn from history, Raila's time has come and gone just
like his
father. As long as Raila will be the torch bearer then you can rest
assured
that the Luo presidency will continue to be a good work of fiction.
Because of these, they are now the most desparate people for power and
will do
anything with whoever cares to listen to them.
Tamaa ilimaliza fisi.
take it easy.
95102, RE: Luo presidency? myth or fiction
Posted by Man R, Wed Apr-05-06 02:20 AM
Sizzla,
You fail to factor many things just like everybody else. You see things
from
your bias.
>Pole Man R if i hurt your feelings but its the truth, plain
>and simple.
Why do you think you hurt my feelings. You're basing your points on
rumors and
simple attribution.
>A good majority of my closest friends are from
>this community, in fact i think about 90% of my realest
>buddies are Luos. I don't mean the whole tribe is uncouth but
>a significant majority is...and rightly so.
You serious? Man, I bet you're uncouth too, because birds of a feather
flock
together. I have Luo friends too. They're the most decent successful
down-to-earth people I have ever known. We can go back and forth about
this and
come to the same conclusion. It is not provable. What you're saying is
just the
same as another person saying all Kyuk women are prostitutes and men
and thugs
and thieves.
>For example, take a scenario where an educated Luo man who has
>even been educated in the finest schools in the world insists
>on "inheriting" someone's wife who died from AIDS !!!
This is an urban myth my friend. I suggest you do your own research and
you'll
be amazed just how wrong you're. Please name one example where this
happened.
You have to stop spreading such malicious rumors.
And by the way, I actually did a research on the prevalence of wife
inheritance, and I found the practice exists in various forms in many
communities including Kamba, Luhyia etc. I also discovered that the
so-called
Luo wife inheritance is actually not that prevalent as people seem to
make it
look like. My Luo friends lose their relatives all the time I have
never seen
any of them returning to Nairobi of States with an inherited wife.
Comeon. Stop
these lies. Stop Stop!
>We see thse things every day. On the news recently, i read
>about how the AIDs virus is spreading around Lake Victoria
>because of the "sex for fish" practise between the fishermen
>and fish mongers. Need i say more?
I read that story too. It was attributed to a DO or DC who was a Kyuk.
Not a
reliable source to speak about Luo affairs. I thought it was malicious
and
ill-founded. AIDS exists even in areas where there is no Lake Victoria.
Explain
to me why AIDS is more prevalent in Thika than Kisumu. Are people in
Thika also
selling sex-for-fish? I bet you didn't know Thika is Kenya's AIDS
capital. You
need to read and read widely. Forget for a minute you're a Kyuk or
anything and
think of yourself just as a being. You'll never be the same.
I always tell people I don't care whether I'm Kyuk but I care for my
Africaness. Because at the end of the day in our international scope,
division
like Kyuk and Jeng don't mean a thing.
>
>Wake up man, and smell the coffee, or the fish in this
>case...lol.
Your attempt to insult me has been noted.
95105, RE: Luo presidency? myth or fiction
Posted by OndochMeru, Wed Apr-05-06 03:09 AM
>"they" in this case refers to the ojinga family and their
>supports. ojinga sr and jr
Are they wajinga because they don't kiss kikuyu as-sses.
shot themselves in the foot with
>the same demand to share power forgetting that the
>presidential race is a winner take all affair.ojinga jr is
>making the same mistake again with his odm tribal house of
>cards, he should display some of that "bravery" that his
>supporters ascribe to him and go for the top seat alone.
Man this raira guy is realy proving. Kikuyus want luos to kiss their
a-ss just
like kombo and ngilu are doing. Luos don't do that, they'd rather have
it rough
than kiss your as--ses. Just like kibaki stole their vote, he'll pay
for it
dearly, referundum was just but the start. i remember the guy went nuts
when he
lost missarable. if i was a kikuyu i'd advice kibaki not to hand over
the power
when he looses
95117, RE: Luo presidency? myth or fiction
Posted by Otero1, Wed Apr-05-06 07:33 AM
>Without doubt, Luo's can't stand the
fact that they've been
>locked out of the 3 govts we've had since independence. In
>2002, they came this close to power only for it to turn out to
>be a replay of the 1960's power game that consigned them to
>the dungeons.
>
>If we are to learn from history, Raila's time has come and
>gone just like his father. As long as Raila will be the torch
>bearer then you can rest assured that the Luo presidency will
>continue to be a good work of fiction.
>
>
>Because of these, they are now the most desparate people for
>power and will do anything with whoever cares to listen to
>them.
>
>Tamaa ilimaliza fisi.
>take it easy.
>
The Luo presidency is fantasy it is the carrot that the Odinga's use to
keep
luos committed to the megalomaniacal quest of an Odinga presidency.
95119, RE: Luo presidency? myth or fiction
Posted by Bachelor, Wed Apr-05-06 08:13 AM
Its sad kikuyus have lost star politicians. The
only man who is
world class statesman is Muite lakini yeye huropokwa sazingine. Uhuru
is good but
a novice however he seems capable.Kalonzo can do a good job lakini just
to
maintain stutus quo in politics just in business we need to grow. Raila
is
brave but pragmatic Kenya is not ready for a such a Leader who can
eventually
Build a new Nation .The Federation of East Africa.He is the only man
who can
stand MUseveni who is equally strong and tell him "Dude you have been
here
for far too long, its time to let it go."
We need eccentric Raila as we looking forward to expansion of our
country in
2012. and laying ground work for inclsion of southern
Sudan,Burundi,Rwanda and
congo
Jah bless
95136, RE: Luo presidency? myth or fiction
Posted by mrfly2, Wed Apr-05-06 10:10 AM
> Its sad kikuyus have lost star politicians.
The only man who
>is world class statesman is Muite lakini yeye huropokwa
>sazingine. Uhuru is good but a novice however he seems
>capable.Kalonzo can do a good job lakini just to maintain
>stutus quo in politics just in business we need to grow. Raila
>is brave but pragmatic Kenya is not ready for a such a Leader
>who can eventually Build a new Nation .The Federation of East
>Africa.He is the only man who can stand MUseveni who is
>equally strong and tell him "Dude you have been here for far
>too long, its time to let it go."
> We need eccentric Raila as we looking forward to expansion
>of our country in 2012. and laying ground work for inclsion of
>southern Sudan,Burundi,Rwanda and congo
>
> Jah bless
Wewe wacha kunywa chibuku......WTF is this lunatic going on about?????
95137, RE: Luo presidency? myth or fiction
Posted by Cookie, Wed Apr-05-06 10:31 AM
its not that other kenyans fear a luo president.
also the
circumsision issue can be over looked. in fact odinga has a very wide
base in
kenya in almost every community.
its just that he has the wrong attitude. you cant force yourself on
people. he
has to sell himself. like Moi said, asking for votes is like tuning a
babe.
his behaviour is akin to raping a willing woman. kenyans are capable of
electing him but he should not dictate this to the people.
he should pass on the baton or aim for VP with the hope that when the
president
dies he can take over
95139, RE: Luo presidency? myth or fiction
Posted by Okwang, Wed Apr-05-06 10:36 AM
Kikuyus, Luos, Kambas, Kalenjins...round and
round we go! When did
tribe dictate leadership? Even those of us who are abroad and supposed
to be
exposed have learnt nothing! We all should be so lucky that a kenyan
runs for
office and wins and comes up with a cabinet that will be grounded in
achieving
certain basic goals to improve the motherland. A government that will
set out
even 10 goals (cut unemployment by x%;
stave off hunger by x%;
manage corruption to x%;
increase GDP by x%...)
If there was such a kenyan, I would vote for him/her wholeheartedly!
Otherwise we will be singing
Oh it is Luo's turn,
Oh it is Kamba turn,
Oh Luo must go,
Oh Kamba must go
And round and round we go again! Pathetic!
95142, RE: Luo presidency? myth or fiction
Posted by girl82, Wed Apr-05-06 10:44 AM
>Without doubt, Luo's can't stand the fact
that they've been
>locked out of the 3 govts we've had since independence. In
>2002, they came this close to power only for it to turn out to
>be a replay of the 1960's power game that consigned them to
>the dungeons.
>
>If we are to learn from history, Raila's time has come and
>gone just like his father. As long as Raila will be the torch
>bearer then you can rest assured that the Luo presidency will
>continue to be a good work of fiction.
>
>
>Because of these, they are now the most desparate people for
>power and will do anything with whoever cares to listen to
>them.
>
>Tamaa ilimaliza fisi.
>take it easy.
Some tribalist SHHH****TTTTT. It is sad in deed that people like you
exist.
Kenyans are busy trying to jump over the hurdles of stringing tribal
triumph
with THE SEAT and are trying to focus more on which politicians have
the most
to bring on the table but people like you make the race go in reverse.
Shame on
you
95144, RE: Luo presidency? myth or fiction
Posted by Cookie, Wed Apr-05-06 11:00 AM
>Some tribalist SHHH****TTTTT. It is sad in deed that people
>like you exist. Kenyans are busy trying to jump over the
>hurdles of stringing tribal triumph with THE SEAT and are
>trying to focus more on which politicians have the most to
>bring on the table but people like you make the race go in
>reverse. Shame on you!
is that to say you would support a kikuyu candidate for president.
if that is so, let us know who you think is the best presidential
material in
GEMA.
it is people like you and the likes who make raila look bad. if only
you guys
could chill.
tunajua mdomo haina speed governor. full throttle, but do i say.
95146, RE: Luo presidency? myth or fiction
Posted by girl82, Wed Apr-05-06 11:15 AM
>
>>Some tribalist SHHH****TTTTT. It is sad in deed that people
>>like you exist. Kenyans are busy trying to jump over the
>>hurdles of stringing tribal triumph with THE SEAT and are
>>trying to focus more on which politicians have the most to
>>bring on the table but people like you make the race go in
>>reverse. Shame on you!
>
>is that to say you would support a kikuyu candidate for
>president.
>
>if that is so, let us know who you think is the best
>presidential material in GEMA.
>
>it is people like you and the likes who make raila look bad.
>if only you guys could chill.
>
>tunajua mdomo haina speed governor. full throttle, but do i
>say.
I really don't give a rats a** that you think I make Raila look bad.
ANd yes, I
had said from way back that I would vote for Wangari Maathai or
Githongo were
they to run for presidency. I would actually choose Githongo over Raila
were he
to run. And I also stated that I would vote for Wangari Maathai only if
there
was to be a prime minister position so that Kenya is not run over like
a dead
leaf by the Nothern world.
As for those why are vying for the seat at this time, Raila is the main
man, in
my opinion, and I had already stated why I think so from time to time.
And I
don't look at Raila winning as a Luo triumph because that would make me
more of
an A** than you have presented yourself to be because I'm not even a
Luo. We
have to do with what we've got and Raila is my choice from what we've
got. Now,
if I were to vote for someone closest to my tribe, that would be
Balala! I mean
WTF? Why would I vote for a useless mangaa just coz he comes from my
tribe?
I'm just sick and tired of people referring to Luo presidency when
talking
about someone who is a potential leader for 43 other tribes. I know
that Kenya
is not yet at a stage where tribalism and presidency are unmeshed, but
some of
us have hopes that one day it will, but people like you not only slow
us down,
but make a step backward.
95015, Luo presidency? myth or fiction
Posted by Cookie, Wed Apr-05-06 04:14 PM
Without doubt, Luo's can't
stand the
fact that they've been locked out of the 3 govts we've had since
independence.
In 2002, they came this close to power only for it to turn out to be a
replay
of the 1960's power game that consigned them to the dungeons.
If we are to learn from history, Raila's time has come and gone just
like his
father. As long as Raila will be the torch bearer then you can rest
assured
that the Luo presidency will continue to be a good work of fiction.
Because of these, they are now the most desparate people for power and
will do
anything with whoever cares to listen to them.
Tamaa ilimaliza fisi.
take it easy.
95153, RE: Luo presidency?
myth or fiction
Posted by picasso, Wed Apr-05-06 12:18 PM
I can name great luo
leaders that had class but are sadly not with
us anymore. The likes of Robert Ouko and Tom Mboya .... what happened
to such
charismatic gentlemanly leaders?? Instead of the luo investing and
nurturing
leaders that have that sort of charima that would transcend the tribal
divides
in Kenya (eg. Hon Raphael Tuju) they want to invest in chokora,
riff-raff,
rabid gor-mahia-fan-like, stone throwing neaderthals like raila who
have no
vision and are essetially coxswains on a ship to nowhere!!
95155, RE: Luo presidency?
myth or fiction
Posted by Mathengus, Wed Apr-05-06 12:21 PM
>>
>>Because of these, they are now the most desparate people for
>>power and will do anything with whoever cares to listen to
>>them.
>>
>
>"they" in this case refers to the ojinga family and their
>supports. ojinga sr and jr shot themselves in the foot with
>the same demand to share power forgetting that the
>presidential race is a winner take all affair. ojinga jr is
>making the same mistake again with his odm tribal house of
>cards, he should display some of that "bravery" that his
>supporters ascribe to him and go for the top seat alone.
I think you are one of the most thick Kyuks on this forum. How many
times did
Kibaki try contesting the presidency and failing until Raila and others
sup
It is the same kind of stupidity that will confine the thieves to mount
Kenya
region for ages. Watch this space. I pity you fr you breed like rats
and that
simply means you need other regions in order to survive. Your peoples
greed is
their own undoing.
95157, RE: Luo presidency?
myth or fiction
Posted by Mathengus, Wed Apr-05-06 12:28 PM
>I can name great luo
leaders that had class but are sadly not
>with us anymore. The likes of Robert Ouko and Tom Mboya ....
>what happened to such charismatic gentlemanly leaders??
>Instead of the luo investing and nurturing leaders that have
>that sort of charima that would transcend the tribal divides
>in Kenya (eg. Hon Raphael Tuju) they want to invest in
>chokora, riff-raff, rabid gor-mahia-fan-like, stone throwing
>neaderthals like raila who have no vision and are essetially
>coxswains on a ship to nowhere!!
>
There you....spilling your stupidity all over again.
95160, RE: Luo presidency?
myth or fiction
Posted by picasso, Wed Apr-05-06 12:34 PM
>There you....spilling your stupidity all over again.
Hahahahaha!! You have nothing to offer mashada or Kenya!! It is time
you did
the world a favour and took your own life!! Here is my advice, its free
.. Buy
some kerosene, a used firestone tire, 1 rooster and a handful
malariaquin tablet
(expired is best).
Rapidly consume all the malariaquin and wash down with kerosene. Wear
firestone
tire like a necklace then quickly pour kerosene all over yourself, put
rooster
cigarette in your mouth and ignite .... and presto!!
95167, RE: Yes! a Luo
Presidency is very much Attainable and more
and more....
Posted by Labell, Wed Apr-05-06 01:30 PM
>>>>its not
that other kenyans fear a luo president.
also the circumsision issue can be over looked. in fact odinga has a
very wide
base in kenya in almost every community. its just that he has the wrong
attitude. you cant force yourself on people. he has to sell himself.
like Moi
said, asking for votes is like tuning a babe.
his behaviour is akin to raping a willing woman. kenyans are capable of
electing him but he should not dictate this to the people.he should
pass on the
baton or aim for VP with the hope that when the president dies he can
take
over.<<<<<<<<<...
HOLY COW,WHAT A BS!!!
LOOK WHO YAPPING HIS/HER MOUTH LIKE THEY ARE SOME KIND OF SUPREME BEING
WHO
DECIDES ON WHAT IS NEEDED AND WHAT SORT OF THINGS TO BE OVER-LOOKED.I
DIDN'T
SEE RAILA FORCE HIMSELF ON ANYBODY DURING THE LAST REFERENDUM RACE,HIS
COMPANY
PREVAILED BY OBTAINING THE POPULAR VOTE.I DON'T SEE ANY SIN ON ANY
NORMAL
AMBITIOUS HUMAN BEING SEIZING AN OPPORTUNITY IN TIMES WHEN OUR GREAT
NATION IS
IN A DIRE NEED OF A TRUE THOROUGHBRED LEADER.
LIKE YOU SAID,"odinga has a very wide base in kenya in almost every
community"........." kenyans are capable of electing him but he
should not dictate this to the people.he should pass on the baton or
aim for VP
with the hope that when the president dies he can take over".
DEFINATELY IF I HAVE A WIDE BASE IN ALMOST EVERY COMMUNITY AND CAPABLE
OF
WINNING ANY ELECTION-(BY YOUR OWN WORDS.IT IS CRAZY TO PASS ON THE
BATON OR
EVEN TO ANTICIPATE FOR #2 WISHFULLY HOPING FOR SOME KIND OF DEATH FOR
THE #1
SPOT.YOU ARE SUCH A STUPID MOFO!PROLIFIC LEADERS DON'T THINK ON THAT
LEVEL.THEY
ARE GO-GETTERS.
I DON'T KNOW HOW TRUE IS ASKING FOR VOTES FROM THE PEOPLE IS CLOSELY
RELATED TO
THE ART OF SEDUCTION.BUT IF THAT IS TRUE, THEN KENYANS HAVE BEEN
CHARMED AND
RAPED BY THE PAST AND PRESENT GOVTS.BUT THIS TIME AROUND THE 'BABES'
ARE
YEARNING AND THE GUY WHO QUALIFIES AS YOUR WORST NIGHTMARE STANDS A
BETTER
CHANCE OF TAKING THE HONEY HOME.
COOKIE, IT IS NOT THE ATTITUDE.I WAS SOMEHOW CONCERNED ABOUT YOUR
REASONING
BECAUSE IT WAS VERY APPALLING.
BELOW IS A MEDICAL CONDITION THAT I THINK WILL HELP YOU BEST DESCRIBE
YOUR
CONDITION.
>>>>People with these phobias treat them by avoiding the
thing they
fear.
Many specific phobias can be traced back to a specific triggering
event,
usually a traumatic experience at an early age. Social phobias and
agoraphobia
have more complex causes that are not entirely known at this time. It
is
believed that heredity, genetics and brain-chemistry combine with
life-experiences to play a major role in the development of anxiety
disorders
and phobias.
Phobias vary in severity among individuals, with some phobics simply
disliking
or avoiding the subject of their fear and suffering mild anxiety.
Others suffer
fully-fledged panic attacks with all the associated disabling
symptoms<<<<<
95168, RE: Yes! a Luo
Presidency is very much Attainable and more
and more....
Posted by jarabuon, Wed Apr-05-06 01:35 PM
>
>HOLY COW,WHAT A BS!!!
>LOOK WHO YAPPING HIS/HER MOUTH LIKE THEY ARE SOME KIND OF
>SUPREME BEING WHO DECIDES ON WHAT IS NEEDED AND WHAT SORT OF
>THINGS TO BE OVER-LOOKED.<<<<<<blah blah blah,
typical
Jaluo drivel>>>
i will repeat it a thousand times if thats what it takes to get it into
your
THICK skulls
IF HE IS SO POPULAR HE SHOULD RUN ALONE!!!!
got it? is it clear to you yet... if not re-read the above line.
95175, RE: Luo presidency?
myth or fiction
Posted by mumgy, Wed Apr-05-06 02:28 PM
>its not that other
kenyans fear a
luo president. also the
>circumsision issue can be over looked. in fact odinga has a
>very wide base in kenya in almost every community.
>
>its just that he has the wrong attitude. you cant force
>yourself on people.
Cookie I think you are contradicting yourself! If he has a popular base
in many
communities how then is this called "forcing"?
95178, RE: Yes! a Luo
Presidency is very much Attainable and more
and more....
Posted by Mzungu-Mweusi, Wed Apr-05-06 02:48 PM
>
>i will repeat it a thousand times if thats what it takes to
>get it into your THICK skulls
>
>
>IF HE IS SO POPULAR HE SHOULD RUN ALONE!!!!
>
Lool. Yaani you really want him to run alone so u know he looses.
Dude,No one
runs alone,it takes a TEAM to win anything. What use is it of having
multiple
ppls with the very same ideaology?
Mr Odinga is quite a famous person,he together with his TEAM have a
huge
wide,large following in 7 of the 8 provinces in kenya. He is actually a
nice
person,quite the listener,i shook his hand when he left jela in the
90s...His
wife is a darling,she gave me peremendes on many occasions...i have
never seen
him as a LUO,i saw him as a KENYAN LEADER ,i still find him a LEADER
and i
hopefully will find him a LEADER in the next 11yrs. Kura Yangu ina enda
Kwake
if he wins the nomination...I wish him the best of LUCK.
IF He wants to be president,he has to ask his followers,i dont see why
he
shouldnt run for the top seat. Neither Kalonzo,Uhuru or mudavadi can
stop
him,the PEOPLE can.
His tribe is of no meaning,his culture is of no significance,what
matters is
his ideaology,and so far many kenyans beleive his TEAM is able,and if
his TEAM
gives him the go ahead,alla? iko nini????
Does this also apply to the rest of kenyans who have different cultures
than
the rest?...if thats the case,will a Massai person have to shut his
earlopes
before he can run for prezzo?,or does he have to stop drinking blood
once he
becomes a national figure?
Whats all this humhum abt a MANs Cultrre and his ability to lead or
perform per
his duties?
The very same ppl who are bashing LUOS for their cultures are the same
ones who
run to a LUO doctor when they are sick,the same tribe you ridicule
might have
saved your or someone u love's life.your First ABC was prolly taught by
a LUO
teacher in nursery. You prolly have a LUO cook who fed you...why isnt
it a
MATTER then but it is NOW?
alla??
Lets face it,in the 21st century when nations are boasting of who can
produce
the best technology & counting their successes,mna simama hapa na
kuongea
Ngombe Mbolea kuhusu Mjaluo?
Lets move on shall we?,lets elect a kenyaN
95179, RE: Luo presidency?
myth or fiction
Posted by Cookie, Wed Apr-05-06 02:59 PM
>>its not that other
kenyans fear a luo president. also the
>>circumsision issue can be over looked. in fact odinga has a
>>very wide base in kenya in almost every community.
>>
>>its just that he has the wrong attitude. you cant force
>>yourself on people.
>
>Cookie I think you are contradicting yourself! If he has a
>popular base in many communities how then is this called
>"forcing"?
Raila's mediocrity is his under hand tactics of bullying other
politicians into
submission. you will agree with me that Raila can be very forceful and
unreasonable.
he needs to embrace humility to make it to the top. people dont see him
as a
level headed individual. People see too much culture in him.
Don't get me wrong, Raila is liked by many kenyans but he has to change
to be
elected president.
95180, RE: Luo presidency?
myth or fiction
Posted by mumgy, Wed Apr-05-06 03:06 PM
>Don't get me wrong, Raila is liked by many kenyans but he has
>to change to be elected president.
Again you is contradicting urself. Why should he change if people like
him?
What if they stop liking him?
Something is wrong with u of late cookie ( okie ur sudden change in
reasoning,
let me know if I'm wrong)...is "Oduor" giving u sleepless nights?
We want the sober cookie back!!!!!!!
95015, Luo presidency?
myth or fiction
Posted by Cookie, Wed Apr-05-06 04:14 PM
Without doubt, Luo's can't
stand the
fact that they've been locked out of the 3 govts we've had since
independence.
In 2002, they came this close to power only for it to turn out to be a
replay
of the 1960's power game that consigned them to the dungeons.
If we are to learn from history, Raila's time has come and gone just
like his
father. As long as Raila will be the torch bearer then you can rest
assured
that the Luo presidency will continue to be a good work of fiction.
Because of these, they are now the most desparate people for power and
will do
anything with whoever cares to listen to them.
Tamaa ilimaliza fisi.
take it easy.
95182, RE: Luo presidency?
myth or fiction
Posted by Cookie, Wed Apr-05-06 03:18 PM
>
>>Don't get me wrong, Raila is liked by many kenyans but he
>has
>>to change to be elected president.
>
>Again you is contradicting urself. Why should he change if
>people like him? What if they stop liking him?
>
>Something is wrong with u of late cookie ( okie ur sudden
>change in reasoning, let me know if I'm wrong)...is "Oduor"
>giving u sleepless nights?
>
>We want the sober cookie back!!!!!!!
I've always supported Raila. I'm still a Raila supporter. For PM.
There are 2 things in Kenya that are very clear. (I was there in Dec)
Kibaki should vacate the presidency
Raila cannot be elected to replace him.
I wish you guys all the best in your efforts.
95183, RE: Luo presidency?
myth or fiction
Posted by museveni, Wed Apr-05-06 03:28 PM
Kikuyus fear a Luo
presidency because their past leaders have been
unjust to luo land. They fear retribution.
Others that may fear, could only be due to ignorance. On the most part
it has
been Kikuyus demonising Luos.
Other than that, there could be nothing wrong woth a Luo becoming
President.
95185, RE: Luo presidency?
myth or fiction
Posted by theresh, Wed Apr-05-06 03:42 PM
Luo presidency is feasible
thru someone else but not Raila.
95186, RE: Luo presidency?
myth or fiction
Posted by Chick_Magnet, Wed Apr-05-06 03:48 PM
As for those why are vying
for the seat at this time, Raila is the
main man, in my opinion, and I had already stated why I think so from
time to
time. And I don't look at Raila winning as a Luo triumph because that
would
make me more of an A** than you have presented yourself to be because
I'm not
even a Luo. We have to do with what we've got and Raila is my choice
from what
we've got. Now, if I were to vote for someone closest to my tribe, that
would
be Balala! I mean WTF? Why would I vote for a useless mangaa just coz
he comes
from my tribe?
95188, RE: Yes! a Luo
Presidency is very much Attainable and more
and more....
Posted by jarabuon, Wed Apr-05-06 04:03 PM
@mzungu
whats all that nonsense you wrote? you even edited it and it still made
no
sense, just more lapping sounds from another member of the
Raila-Arse-Lickers
Association.
Get it through your THICK skull... THE MAN WITH A NATIONAL FOLLOWING
HAS NO USE
FOR TRIBAL CHIEFTAINS.
95191, RE: Luo presidency?
myth or fiction
Posted by kipchirchir, Wed Apr-05-06 04:15 PM
kalonzo is going no where
without railas backing . thats not a
THEORY . its a FACT
Infact at this point , all raila really needs to do his have mudavadi
fully in
his camp , ruto in his camp and balala in his camp and let kalonzo run
his
mouth all he wants .
Its obvious to all and sundry that kalonzo has just grown a head yet he
lacks
the spine and bone to back him up .
Kalonzo can then go on relying on opinion polls to win elections . he
should
learn and understand the intricacies in politics that it is not as
simple it
looks in the newspapers.
Infact the ODM heirachy ( read raila) should just declare kalonzo
kwisha and
move on to consolidate LDP without his nagging ways
kalonzo should nature his political network , be a kingmaker in 2007
and be
sure 2012 he will be the man to beat .
95193, RE: Luo presidency?
myth or fiction
Posted by Mzungu-Mweusi, Wed Apr-05-06 04:27 PM
Kipchirchir,i know wat you
mean.
There is definetly a need for a compromise,i have a feeling kalonzo
will NOT
accept anything short of a sure nomination...Well theres nuthing like
that!. I
doubt if he will accept the position of a KINGMAKER,i personally see
UHURU,Ruto
& Mudavadi in those positions,but nt Kalonzo
He needs to learn to negotiate,and compromise and give up
something....There is
no room for tribal leaders. If he goes on his own,i dnt think they(ODM)
will
lose much.
Jarabuon,it seemed nonsense becoz it spoke of Raila(Sivyo?)...
Heres a fact,Raila is a National Leader,I(unlike you) Dont see him as a
LUO
LEADER. The same way i dont see Pres Kibaki/Or Hon Uhuru as a Kikuyu
Leader.
You can ridicule him or his tribe as much as you can,but at the end of
the
DAY,his tribe means NADA!
95196, RE: Luo presidency?
myth or fiction
Posted by kipchirchir, Wed Apr-05-06 04:39 PM
MM
you see this is where NAK leaders and by extension their voting base go
wrong ,
they have this notion of trying to potray raila as a LUO leader , just
becuase
he has a solid luo voting base !
what many a people forget is raila appeals to all kenyans across the
political
divide . irrespective of tribe , raila is amongst the few kenyan
politicians
who has support across the land .
I recall in 2002 ,raila somehere in nairobi give a talk on democracy
and
african politics.I've never seen a man who has the gift of gab like him
, he
would argue out his case so articulately and with supporting case
studies he
displayed an intimate understanding of the situation in Kenya and what
needed
to be done to salvage the situation.
.
what pisses me off is the way certain sections of our society hate the
man YET
. when you compare him with many other kenyan politicians , truth and
fact is
Raila is way above their league .
The hate for raila is a TRIBAL issue and not FACTUAL issue .
95199, RE: Luo presidency?
myth or fiction
Posted by UmKHonto we Sizwe, Wed Apr-05-06 04:48 PM
>Kipchirchir,i know wat
you mean.
>
>There is definetly a need for a compromise,i have a feeling
>kalonzo will NOT accept anything short of a sure
>nomination...Well theres nuthing like that!. I doubt if he
>will accept the position of a KINGMAKER,i personally see
>UHURU,Ruto & Mudavadi in those positions,but nt Kalonzo
>
>He needs to learn to negotiate,and compromise and give up
>something....There is no room for tribal leaders. If he goes
>on his own,i dnt think they(ODM) will lose much.
>
>Jarabuon,it seemed nonsense becoz it spoke of
>Raila(Sivyo?)...
>
>Heres a fact,Raila is a National Leader,I(unlike you) Dont see
>him as a LUO LEADER. The same way i dont see Pres Kibaki/Or
>Hon Uhuru as a Kikuyu Leader.
>
>You can ridicule him or his tribe as much as you can,but at
>the end of the DAY,his tribe means NADA!
LDP will not beg Kalonzo from what I hear, neither will they change
their
selection process to suite Kalonzo. They have already explored other
options
with KM out of the picture and are ready for that eventuality.
If kalonzo jumps LDP ship he knows sharks in NARC will devore him
alive.
Someone was suggesting he joins NARC-K, just read how mbwa wa Tana has
fired a
warning salvo at the old guard, the battle is yet to begin there.
Optimistic about Kibaki's Departure before 2007
95261, RE: Luo presidency?
myth or fiction
Posted by Otero1, Thu Apr-06-06 07:15 AM
>Kipchirchir,i know wat
you mean.
>
>There is definetly a need for a compromise,i have a feeling
>kalonzo will NOT accept anything short of a sure
>nomination...Well theres nuthing like that!. I doubt if he
>will accept the position of a KINGMAKER,i personally see
>UHURU,Ruto & Mudavadi in those positions,but nt Kalonzo
>
>He needs to learn to negotiate,and compromise and give up
>something....There is no room for tribal leaders. If he goes
>on his own,i dnt think they(ODM) will lose much.
>
>Jarabuon,it seemed nonsense becoz it spoke of
>Raila(Sivyo?)...
>
>Heres a fact,Raila is a National Leader,I(unlike you) Dont see
>him as a LUO LEADER. The same way i dont see Pres Kibaki/Or
>Hon Uhuru as a Kikuyu Leader.
>
>You can ridicule him or his tribe as much as you can,but at
>the end of the DAY,his tribe means NADA!
MM
If Raila is not a tribal leader how do you explain the quote below
95015, Luo presidency?
myth or fiction
Posted by Cookie, Wed Apr-05-06 04:14 PM
Without doubt, Luo's can't
stand the
fact that they've been locked out of the 3 govts we've had since
independence.
In 2002, they came this close to power only for it to turn out to be a
replay
of the 1960's power game that consigned them to the dungeons. 95274, RE: Luo presidency?
myth or fiction > Ka in gi mari moro ma di wandik ka to orni
If we are to learn from history, Raila's time has come and gone just
like his
father. As long as Raila will be the torch bearer then you can rest
assured
that the Luo presidency will continue to be a good work of fiction.
Because of these, they are now the most desparate people for power and
will do
anything with whoever cares to listen to them.
Tamaa ilimaliza fisi.
take it easy.
Posted by jarabuon, Thu Apr-06-06 09:23 AM
>MM
> If Raila is not a tribal leader how do you explain the quote
>below.
these guys are incredible, they say he is not a tribal leader, they say
he has
a national backing, but the facts on the ground is that their god will
not dare
run alone. instead he is trying to cobble together a union of self
appointed
tribal leaders so that they can say Raila tosha to their tribesmen and
he gets
the vote.
keep on dreaming railamaniacs but i wouldn't put any money on a raila
presidency.
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