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It is not a contest of who can lie more than the other

From: Kichwa Mbaya - Thu, Mar 16, 11:05 AM

If it was a contest on which side can make up the worst lies Kibaki and his supporters would win hands down. The problem is that it is a contest of credibility-truth. Truth is stubborn and persistent and that is why Raila keeps on wining despite the cards being stacked against him. Pictures keep on appearing to corroborate his version, documents at the registrars office connecting Kibaki's other family to the Armenians comes up, verification that these goons never flew from Dubai is found, no evidence that he ever met these goons, etc. On the other hand, lies made about Raila never seem to be verifiable. They get abandoned and new ones, even more incredible are formed almost with the desperation of an addict looking for a fix.

RE: It is not a contest of who can lie more than the other

In response to It is not a contest of who can lie more than the other posted by Kichwa Mbaya

From: Japolo - Thu, Mar 16, 11:32 AM

I said Raila will be vindicated at the end of the day when this story first broke out and people were asking for the Luo supporters to come out from hiding. Nime sema na I will say it again and again.

Asante

Mungiki in Armenians Manhunt

From: Shaka - Thu, Mar 16, 9:47 AM

Tell you what, I don't like Mungiki thugs one bit but if they can rise up at this critical time to defend their nation from those racist Armenians, then no one would argue with that. Hey, they might even redeem their tarnished credibility.

The only way the govt can save these Armenian Nazis dating Kibaki's daughter is simple...deport them!

RE: Mungiki in Armenians Manhunt

In response to Mungiki in Armenians Manhunt posted by Shaka

From: kimwa - kaskhkas@yahoo.com Thu, Mar 16, 9:50 AM

IF WAMBUI IS NOT WA MWAI, THEN SHE IS WA ARMENIA!

new revelation

In response to RE: Mungiki in Armenians Manhunt posted by kimwa

From: Njamba - Thu, Mar 16, 9:53 AM

now they are dating Kibaki's daughter that is dangerous!!!

armenians are not mercenaries, they are low-level conmen

From: Anonymous - Thu, Mar 16, 9:49 AM

it is clear that these guys are just a bunch of snake oil men who thought they could make a quick buck by fooling primitive africans.

now the question is how did kibaki's daughter get to know them?

Through Stanley Murage

In response to armenians are not mercenaries, they are low-level conmen posted by Anonymous

From: - Thu, Mar 16, 9:55 AM

where in the heck did stanley murage meet these low life's

In response to Through Stanley Murage posted by

From: Anonymous - Thu, Mar 16, 9:59 AM

I thought kenyans were pretty well versed when it came to being familiar with the rest of the world.

why in god's name would anyone believe a couple of guys who hail from a dirt, poor, former soviet outback??

armenia is not russian. They are NO rich oligarchs in armenia.

RE: armenians are not mercenaries, they are low-level conmen

In response to armenians are not mercenaries, they are low-level conmen posted by Anonymous

From: New facts about Armenians - Thu, Mar 16, 9:56 AM

Come to Europe and you'll know how low Armenians are considered. The level of modernization is unbelievably low. They rank lower than people from Moldovia which is the poorest country in Europe followed by Armenia. In terms of crime in european cities they are only beaten by folks from the former Yugoslavia and Albania. Armenian villages resemble the pictures we see in Afghanistan. These are pure and simple gunrunners who are watu wa mkono of the Russian Mafia

This theory is more on the money

From: Njamba - Thu, Mar 16, 11:11 AM

I borrowed from Mashada before someones alerts the killer Lucy Kibaki


I am no journalist, neither am I a sleuth. I have been trying to understand what these Armenians/mercenary soap opera is all about and this is my take:

1) The two Arturs are not mercenaries.
2) They are dubious characters, most probably drug dealers with connection to state house through Kib’s mistress Wambui. The registration documents of their Kensington Company confirm this.
3) The Standard reporters hand stumbled on the dealings of these two and their connections to statehouse and were about to print the stuff. Wambui got to know about this hence the raid on Standard to prevent the printing of the dossier.
4) When the raid was done, with the confirmed presence of some white chaps, someone informed Raila. When Raila got to know what was in the dossier and the presence of the white chaps in the raid, he made the following conclusion:
That the Artur’s were the white folks directly involved in the raid because they were going to be the immediate losers if the dossier had come to light.
5) Raila used the term mercenary rather liberally. He should have chosen a more guarded term, but again he is a populist politician and may have chosen the term to add more drama. Hopefully we will soon know.
6) Kalonzo’s explanation of the encounter with the Artur’s is correct. I doubt if the two have met Raila, neither did any money change hands as claimed. Nobody gives you that kind of money just like that and Raila is too careful and seasoned politician to accept money from any Ngumbao, Artur or Sadik. There are too many conflicting reports and the dates do not add up. The referendum was held on November 21st and yet the Artur’s met Kalonzo in late November. This was already too late to start discussing about funding the referendum. Where is the CCTV footage, if indeed there is any? Bulletproof vests are not hard to come by, especially for a high flyer like Kalonzo. You do not ask such things from people you barely know.
7) There still remains the question as to who exactly were the white chaps in that raid. If the government had nothing to hide, they would have said who they were by now.
8) The CID has not found anything to support their lie about subversion at the standard newsroom. You will not hear anything further about that particular line from Michuki or Kamau.
9) Kibaki is a helpless man, caught between two conniving women. He does not know what is going on, what to do neither does he have the ball to do anything. He has left Michuki and Murage to run the show.
10) We Kenyan’s are really dumb. Our Government is least interested in serving you. It is just a matter of time before Kenya goes the Colombian way, with drug lords running the country through their accomplices in higher places. Instead of applauding the newly-fangled philanthropers, we should be asking their source of wealth. Nobody hands our money the way Wambui, Pattni, Haroun Mwau etc. does if the money is hard-earned. The charity is the wool they use to cover our eyes.
What do you think? No matusi or tribal garbage please.

RE: This one makes sense to me

In response to This theory is more on the money posted by Njamba

From: Anonymous - Thu, Mar 16, 11:14 AM

The intrigues of Foreign Investors in Kenya (Raila vs. Wambui aka the Aturs

Raila pulled a fast one on the Narc activist when he coned her business partners, but after she knew of the conning, she strikes back with a lot of vengeance and is ready to even kill. This has turned to be a soap opera that has left Raila and Kibaki haunted.

Kenya ha been known to largely depend on foreign aid to an extent that Budgetary support has always been factored on the countries budget year in year out.
Historically donors are known to always blackmail recipient governments some to the extent of dictating how such countries should be governed and who should be allowed to invest in their country. 60% of the disbursements are siphoned back to donor countries by way of either being forced to employ consultants (and being dictated on how much to pay them) or awarding contracts to firms from the donor country. Britain and America top the list, with France following as a poor third.
When NARC took power in 2002, one of their primary goals was to find ways of eradicating this overdependence on donor assistance. In one of the cabinet meetings held in January 2003, Raila Odinga raised the issue and pointed out that the new regime needed to strengthen its revenue collection so as to avoid over reliance of donor funding. He also floated the idea of inviting foreign investors and create conducive environment for them to prosper. After introducing the topic, he passed over the Mic to his then friend and distinguished accountant Amos Kimunya who gave a well researched and detailed presentation on how to achieve this. This lead to the headhunt of one Michael Waweru to head the KRA and within his 1st 3 months at KRA, the body had already surpassed its revenue collection target by over 60%. That year and consequent years, Mwiraria never factored in his budget donor support. It was agreed that whatever comes in as donor support be channelled towards capital and development expenditure.
A lot of water has passed over the bridge after this candid presentation at the cabinet meeting. Revenue collection has improved and Kituyi’s ministry has created conducive environments for foreign investors.
In Nyando, the dominion group is turning the swampy wastelands into rice paddies which in turn translate to jobs for the locals and improvement of the living standards of the residents of the place. Other milestones are the Molasses plant where Raila and Family have teamed up with Russians and Americans to revive the plant which too has translated to Jobs and improvement of the living standards. Between 2003 and Jan 2006, about 47 major and 227 middle level investors from all round the world and majority of these incorporating Kenyans as partners or shareholders, have opened outlets in Kenya which is a welcome move.
January 2005 Armenian investors find that Kenya is a good business destination and they incorporate various business concerns, one with a Narc Activist and another with a good old friend of Kalonzo Musyoka called Raju Sangani (I wonder why ODM is leaving their Kisauni LDP candidate Mr Joho who is also a business associate of Wambui and the Armenians). Sangani and Kennedy Ngumbau one of Kalonzo’s right hand man and trusted friends (a trustee in Kalonzo foundation) are the directors of a clearing and forwarding firm which Kalonzo is also said to be a Silent partner. Contrary to what Kalonzo is saying, the meeting at the summit was scheduled and not an accident as he is claiming. The gist of the mater is that, there was a referendum coming and luminaries of both camps were sourcing for finances. Any connection from supporters and friends was welcomed in both camps. (All remember that Raila had one time gone to Wood and Bellamy to seek for funding which Kivuitu declined).Sangani who was in the company of the visitors (investors) joined the Kalonzo Ngumbao table and engaged each other in animated talks for the rest of the evening. Kalonzo outlined their vision as ODM and hinted that they were fundraising about 3billion from friend and businessmen who support their course, (not to overthrow the government) to finance their orange campaign to shot down the constitution. He also explained at length the reason why they were against the proposed constitution. The Atur’s were apprehensive of this move knowing that they were business partners with Wambui, but Kalonzo convinced the two that they should not worry because the ODM was sure of winning the referendum and this would automatically lead to a civilian coup and Kibaki will no longer be president. He reminded them that since they had been in Kenya for a while, they might have heard of ‘Tinga’ Raila who is known never to enter into a duel (apart from Wamalwa’s) he cannot win. As business men, they too wanted to know what their stakes were after committing their money on this worthwhile course. That was where the introduction to Kabila came in handy. Kalonzo having worked in foreign affairs had created good rapo with the equally youthful Kabila and Kagame and he used the bait to convince the guys that he can connect them to the two presidents so that they can be getting the gold and diamonds directly from the countries. The Aturs asked for time to think about the proposal but indicated that they would be interested to meet Raila so as to get the required assurances. Kalonzo discussed the matter with Raila who was quite happy of the move because they knew they would get a lot of money to finance their campaigns. They however agreed that no other ODM member especially Ruto would be informed of this deal because the fewer those who know the safer they were. Kalonzo arranged the meeting between the Atur’s and Raila where the issue of financing was discussed at length. The Atur’s indicated that they could not get the 3b sought by Kalonzo but would see whether they could get half of it. All along, Kalonzo was not quite comfortable with the deal especially knowing that Wambui was a business partner to the jammas and that if word leaks to statehouse, his presidential ambition will be greatly dented. After intimating this to Raila, Raila undertook to follow up the finances since he needed to win the referendum by hook or crook. This was also the source of the uneasiness from the Luo wing of LDP towards Kalonzo.
These jammas had released about $1.51M by the time Wambui came to know about the deal. The message that Raila received on his cell phone on valentine day was quite chilling, short and to the point ‘Pay up or we shall lay red flowers on your grave.’
The rest is history with the soap operas ‘I fear for my live and need security’ A green discovery vehicle following me’, ‘Mungiki have rented a house next to mine and want to finish me’ ‘Blackmail- Pay back or Shut up’ ‘The intrigues of a $1.5M loan to sought a girl friend’, ‘Raila’s mercenary theory to counter the blackmail’ ‘The unrelated KTN/Standard raid which Raila seized the opportunity to support the mercenary theory’ , ‘Deport these guys so that I don’t repay’ ‘ Kalonzo meeting with Kibaki’ , ‘Kalonzo-I fear for my life and need security’, and all the intrigues that you are seeing unfolding. Originally the mercenaries were 4, but now we see only two, where are the other 2.
Food for thought – The ‘guy’ who shouted ‘niggers’ during the raid sounded a ‘chute’ with good English, compare it with the voice of the Atur brothers and not there is no resemblance whatsoever. I’m working on both clips and would post them here on RCB. Watch this space.

plausible: behind every failure lies a woman; this proves that women are ev

In response to RE: plausible.. posted by Anonymous

From: ... - Thu, Mar 16, 11:30 AM


This sounds true, that two "conniving" women desperate for support and self actualization in the corridors of power may do anything to attain their devious goals. Where wambui got these characters who actually bear resemblance to a Sopranos screen mafia series episode leaves more questions unanswered.

tasty fiction

In response to RE: This one makes sense to me posted by Anonymous

From: tolstoy - ln_tolstoy@yahoo.com Thu, Mar 16, 11:37 AM

“They however agreed that no other ODM member especially Ruto would be informed of this deal because the fewer those who know the safer they were”
..but our dear scribe, was perfectly perched between the two gents, dutifully recording history as it happened..

the picture in the standard is irrelevant

From: Anonymous - Thu, Mar 16, 1:07 PM

why are people so hang up on it?

the connection between kibaki's daughter and the armenians comes from the registrar of companies. they are all directors of the same company.

it is quite clear that these armenians were playing both sides. trying to use kibaki's connections and trying to play raila and kalonzo.

they are just low level conmen. the real danger is why govt officials feel the need to have to associate with these low life's

RE: the picture in the standard is irrelevant

In response to the picture in the standard is irrelevant posted by Anonymous

From: Japolo - Thu, Mar 16, 1:09 PM

Dengu and her tribalistic balistic has gone anonymous now?????? Maajabu ya MKM

RE: which makes this theory credible

In response to the picture in the standard is irrelevant posted by Anonymous

From: Anonymous - Thu, Mar 16, 1:10 PM

They were pimping both sides...


The intrigues of Foreign Investors in Kenya (Raila vs. Wambui aka the Aturs

Raila pulled a fast one on the Narc activist when he coned her business partners, but after she knew of the conning, she strikes back with a lot of vengeance and is ready to even kill. This has turned to be a soap opera that has left Raila and Kibaki haunted.

Kenya ha been known to largely depend on foreign aid to an extent that Budgetary support has always been factored on the countries budget year in year out.
Historically donors are known to always blackmail recipient governments some to the extent of dictating how such countries should be governed and who should be allowed to invest in their country. 60% of the disbursements are siphoned back to donor countries by way of either being forced to employ consultants (and being dictated on how much to pay them) or awarding contracts to firms from the donor country. Britain and America top the list, with France following as a poor third.
When NARC took power in 2002, one of their primary goals was to find ways of eradicating this overdependence on donor assistance. In one of the cabinet meetings held in January 2003, Raila Odinga raised the issue and pointed out that the new regime needed to strengthen its revenue collection so as to avoid over reliance of donor funding. He also floated the idea of inviting foreign investors and create conducive environment for them to prosper. After introducing the topic, he passed over the Mic to his then friend and distinguished accountant Amos Kimunya who gave a well researched and detailed presentation on how to achieve this. This lead to the headhunt of one Michael Waweru to head the KRA and within his 1st 3 months at KRA, the body had already surpassed its revenue collection target by over 60%. That year and consequent years, Mwiraria never factored in his budget donor support. It was agreed that whatever comes in as donor support be channelled towards capital and development expenditure.
A lot of water has passed over the bridge after this candid presentation at the cabinet meeting. Revenue collection has improved and Kituyi’s ministry has created conducive environments for foreign investors.
In Nyando, the dominion group is turning the swampy wastelands into rice paddies which in turn translate to jobs for the locals and improvement of the living standards of the residents of the place. Other milestones are the Molasses plant where Raila and Family have teamed up with Russians and Americans to revive the plant which too has translated to Jobs and improvement of the living standards. Between 2003 and Jan 2006, about 47 major and 227 middle level investors from all round the world and majority of these incorporating Kenyans as partners or shareholders, have opened outlets in Kenya which is a welcome move.
January 2005 Armenian investors find that Kenya is a good business destination and they incorporate various business concerns, one with a Narc Activist and another with a good old friend of Kalonzo Musyoka called Raju Sangani (I wonder why ODM is leaving their Kisauni LDP candidate Mr Joho who is also a business associate of Wambui and the Armenians). Sangani and Kennedy Ngumbau one of Kalonzo’s right hand man and trusted friends (a trustee in Kalonzo foundation) are the directors of a clearing and forwarding firm which Kalonzo is also said to be a Silent partner. Contrary to what Kalonzo is saying, the meeting at the summit was scheduled and not an accident as he is claiming. The gist of the mater is that, there was a referendum coming and luminaries of both camps were sourcing for finances. Any connection from supporters and friends was welcomed in both camps. (All remember that Raila had one time gone to Wood and Bellamy to seek for funding which Kivuitu declined).Sangani who was in the company of the visitors (investors) joined the Kalonzo Ngumbao table and engaged each other in animated talks for the rest of the evening. Kalonzo outlined their vision as ODM and hinted that they were fundraising about 3billion from friend and businessmen who support their course, (not to overthrow the government) to finance their orange campaign to shot down the constitution. He also explained at length the reason why they were against the proposed constitution. The Atur’s were apprehensive of this move knowing that they were business partners with Wambui, but Kalonzo convinced the two that they should not worry because the ODM was sure of winning the referendum and this would automatically lead to a civilian coup and Kibaki will no longer be president. He reminded them that since they had been in Kenya for a while, they might have heard of ‘Tinga’ Raila who is known never to enter into a duel (apart from Wamalwa’s) he cannot win. As business men, they too wanted to know what their stakes were after committing their money on this worthwhile course. That was where the introduction to Kabila came in handy. Kalonzo having worked in foreign affairs had created good rapo with the equally youthful Kabila and Kagame and he used the bait to convince the guys that he can connect them to the two presidents so that they can be getting the gold and diamonds directly from the countries. The Aturs asked for time to think about the proposal but indicated that they would be interested to meet Raila so as to get the required assurances. Kalonzo discussed the matter with Raila who was quite happy of the move because they knew they would get a lot of money to finance their campaigns. They however agreed that no other ODM member especially Ruto would be informed of this deal because the fewer those who know the safer they were. Kalonzo arranged the meeting between the Atur’s and Raila where the issue of financing was discussed at length. The Atur’s indicated that they could not get the 3b sought by Kalonzo but would see whether they could get half of it. All along, Kalonzo was not quite comfortable with the deal especially knowing that Wambui was a business partner to the jammas and that if word leaks to statehouse, his presidential ambition will be greatly dented. After intimating this to Raila, Raila undertook to follow up the finances since he needed to win the referendum by hook or crook. This was also the source of the uneasiness from the Luo wing of LDP towards Kalonzo.
These jammas had released about $1.51M by the time Wambui came to know about the deal. The message that Raila received on his cell phone on valentine day was quite chilling, short and to the point ‘Pay up or we shall lay red flowers on your grave.’
The rest is history with the soap operas ‘I fear for my live and need security’ A green discovery vehicle following me’, ‘Mungiki have rented a house next to mine and want to finish me’ ‘Blackmail- Pay back or Shut up’ ‘The intrigues of a $1.5M loan to sought a girl friend’, ‘Raila’s mercenary theory to counter the blackmail’ ‘The unrelated KTN/Standard raid which Raila seized the opportunity to support the mercenary theory’ , ‘Deport these guys so that I don’t repay’ ‘ Kalonzo meeting with Kibaki’ , ‘Kalonzo-I fear for my life and need security’, and all the intrigues that you are seeing unfolding. Originally the mercenaries were 4, but now we see only two, where are the other 2.
Food for thought – The ‘guy’ who shouted ‘niggers’ during the raid sounded a ‘chute’ with good English, compare it with the voice of the Atur brothers and not there is no resemblance whatsoever. I’m working on both clips and would post them here on RCB. Watch this space.

It is a clear indication that the MAN AT THE TOP IS CORRUPT. ARE YOU STUPID

In response to the picture in the standard is irrelevant posted by Anonymous

From: Konosi Bogonko - Thu, Mar 16, 1:10 PM

USE YOUR BRAIN. THIS PRESIDENCY IS PAST ITS SELL BY DATE.

RE: it is not

In response to the picture in the standard is irrelevant posted by Anonymous

From: . - Thu, Mar 16, 1:12 PM


:

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the connection between kibaki's daughter and the armenians comes from the registrar of companies. they are all directors of the same company.


The Kenyan youth are being destroyed by drugs and crime like carjackings are up to fund the habit.

This government needs to go.

It's a 2-pronged attack

In response to the picture in the standard is irrelevant posted by Anonymous

From: -- - Thu, Mar 16, 1:14 PM

Accuse Standard of breaking the law which they can't quote thereby justifying illegal attack retroactively.

At the same time divert attention from the link Standard revealed between Wangui, her mother and the mercenaries.

It has failed because Kenyans aren't that stupid.

Wangui Mwai

From: . - Thu, Mar 16, 1:58 PM

Where are the wives of these Armenians? Maybe they train-pull on Wangui. They look gay to me. Kenya gone to the dogs.

Why is Raila getting btwn Rucy and Wambui cat fight?

In response to Wangui Mwai posted by .

From: Wa Mbwa Mwai - Thu, Mar 16, 2:01 PM

This is a war between Lucy and Wambui

RE: Raila is a hero in all accounts

In response to Why is Raila getting btwn Rucy and Wambui cat fight? posted by Wa Mbwa Mwai

From: . - Thu, Mar 16, 2:08 PM

: This is a war between Lucy and Wambui

You're senselessly avoiding the issue. These people were hired by NAK snakes to eliminate Raila. Kenyans have faith in Raila Odinga. The snakes are only interested in drugs and big money while ordinary Kenyans are suffering. How absurd?


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